Comments on: The New Dark Room for the Digital Age http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/ Create | Innovate | Educate Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:53:57 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-20912 Shane Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:59:36 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-20912 Lei, I use Tape if the monitor won't scale 2:35 for me. Lei, I use Tape if the monitor won’t scale 2:35 for me.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-20899 Shane Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:37:14 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-20899 Oli Kember, that is exactly right. Thanks for the support. Oli Kember, that is exactly right. Thanks for the support.

]]> By: Oli Kember http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-20170 Oli Kember Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:52:38 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-20170 It's the little things that keep the ship running smoothly. Thanks for the info. It’s the little things that keep the ship running smoothly. Thanks for the info.

]]> By: Josh Jinchereau http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19424 Josh Jinchereau Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:10:40 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19424 Copy that. P.S. own a bunch of you MCS stuff for my c300 and 7d and I think its amazing!! Some of the best accessories i've ever bought. Copy that.

P.S. own a bunch of you MCS stuff for my c300 and 7d and I think its amazing!! Some of the best accessories i’ve ever bought.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19273 Shane Wed, 24 Oct 2012 05:00:40 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19273 david shepherd, thank you so much for your kind words and all of your support david shepherd, thank you so much for your kind words and all of your support

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19272 Shane Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:59:54 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19272 Bob Demers, thanks so much Bob, I really see this as another tool in our box and that the responsibility of the camera negative goes back to the camera dept., not getting rid of the DIT. Bob Demers, thanks so much Bob, I really see this as another tool in our box and that the responsibility of the camera negative goes back to the camera dept., not getting rid of the DIT.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19270 Shane Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:56:56 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19270 Brandon, it is an expensive tool and rents for an expensive price. Trying to continue to work it into my workflow has been a budgetary hurdle. This is just another tool to help, I see it as giving the responsibility of the camera negative back to the camera dept. not taking away a job. Brandon, it is an expensive tool and rents for an expensive price. Trying to continue to work it into my workflow has been a budgetary hurdle. This is just another tool to help, I see it as giving the responsibility of the camera negative back to the camera dept. not taking away a job.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19266 Shane Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:50:27 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19266 Josh Jinchereau, Love it, thanks for your perspective. I like the eyes on the footage part. Saved me on Act of Valor with focus. I get it, I'm just not a big fan of the circus that this creates. I light by eye, not by LUT's or waveforms, don't believe in them, never have. I like being with the actors, on set not in black tents or worrying about calibrated monitors. We are in very interesting times Josh Jinchereau, Love it, thanks for your perspective. I like the eyes on the footage part. Saved me on Act of Valor with focus. I get it, I’m just not a big fan of the circus that this creates. I light by eye, not by LUT’s or waveforms, don’t believe in them, never have. I like being with the actors, on set not in black tents or worrying about calibrated monitors. We are in very interesting times

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19264 Shane Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:44:30 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19264 david shepherd, Exactly. The digital loader is back Baby!!! The DIT can now manage the look and feel and not have to worry about all the other gack and concentrate on being the last line of defense in viewing the negative. david shepherd, Exactly. The digital loader is back Baby!!! The DIT can now manage the look and feel and not have to worry about all the other gack and concentrate on being the last line of defense in viewing the negative.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19263 Shane Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:43:24 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19263 Bob Demers, this unfortunately is not a DIT's job. Managing the digital negative is a loaders job, these line have been crossed and the Vault is a powerful tool to set it straight in my opinion. The DIT is there to set LUTs, manage the color and keep it consistent thru to post along with being the last line of defense in viewing footage. Bob Demers, this unfortunately is not a DIT’s job. Managing the digital negative is a loaders job, these line have been crossed and the Vault is a powerful tool to set it straight in my opinion. The DIT is there to set LUTs, manage the color and keep it consistent thru to post along with being the last line of defense in viewing footage.

]]> By: Bob Demers http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19254 Bob Demers Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:43:28 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19254 Right on Josh: I sleep better knowing a DIT is on the set. They are my second pair of eyes, from data integrity to focus...they also have the roll of ac with camera setup, monitoring and just about anything that connects to the camera. I like to think of a product such as the Vault as a tool in their arsenal. Cheers. Bob Right on Josh:

I sleep better knowing a DIT is on the set. They are my second pair of eyes, from data integrity to focus…they also have the roll of ac with camera setup, monitoring and just about anything that connects to the camera. I like to think of a product such as the Vault as a tool in their arsenal.

Cheers.

Bob

]]> By: david shepherd http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19203 david shepherd Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:07:22 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19203 Hey Josh, Thank for the quick note. I am not in the industry, so I do not know. I do not think that Shane H. was excluding the crew members, just referring to the tools that make his life a little easier. Hey Josh,

Thank for the quick note. I am not in the industry, so I do not know. I do not think that Shane H. was excluding the crew members, just referring to the tools that make his life a little easier.

]]> By: Josh Jinchereau http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19131 Josh Jinchereau Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:17:38 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19131 I read this blog often. I love that you spend lots of time sharing your knowledge. I was a camera assistant but I made the transition to DIT a few years ago. I'd like to offer my perspective. The codex vault can certainly do many things. Most of those thing include parts of the DIT's job which are mostly automated or very simple. That includes verifying copies and creating LTO's (which with LTFS is as simple as dragging and dropping). You've listed many of the pro's but there are also some cons to make note of. The codex vault can't tell you if you have flicker, ghosting, over and under exposure, focus problems, booms in shot, vertical banding, colour skews that develop over the course of the show etc. These things all need to be verified by a pair of eyes. In the codex workflow they happen at the lab long after everyone has left and long after the set has been struck. I catch problems, sometimes on a daily basis. And I often catch them quick enough to be reshot that day. You could argue that these problems should be avoidable however mistakes happen everyday on film sets. Even on the big productions. A pair of eyes on set reviewing the footage is your best chance to fix problems on set relatively close to the time they occur. That having been said, the workflow your describing has in fact worked for a hundred years. But I often hear cinematographers discuss how they sleep better with digital. I think that has to do with the instant gratification of knowing your footage turned out as you intended when you shot it. When working without a DIT, I really feel that productions miss out an all the benefits that a digital workflow has to offer. The biggest one be immediacy. Your main argument seems to stem from the DIT not coming to set and helping when they are not busy, personally I always help on set when i'm not doing something. Just saying...were not all so one dimensional. I don't think people should write us off. This is not meant to be aggressive. Just offering those reading this article the perspective of someone who makes their living verifying footage. I read this blog often. I love that you spend lots of time sharing your knowledge. I was a camera assistant but I made the transition to DIT a few years ago. I’d like to offer my perspective.

The codex vault can certainly do many things. Most of those thing include parts of the DIT’s job which are mostly automated or very simple. That includes verifying copies and creating LTO’s (which with LTFS is as simple as dragging and dropping). You’ve listed many of the pro’s but there are also some cons to make note of.

The codex vault can’t tell you if you have flicker, ghosting, over and under exposure, focus problems, booms in shot, vertical banding, colour skews that develop over the course of the show etc. These things all need to be verified by a pair of eyes.

In the codex workflow they happen at the lab long after everyone has left and long after the set has been struck. I catch problems, sometimes on a daily basis. And I often catch them quick enough to be reshot that day. You could argue that these problems should be avoidable however mistakes happen everyday on film sets. Even on the big productions. A pair of eyes on set reviewing the footage is your best chance to fix problems on set relatively close to the time they occur.

That having been said, the workflow your describing has in fact worked for a hundred years. But I often hear cinematographers discuss how they sleep better with digital. I think that has to do with the instant gratification of knowing your footage turned out as you intended when you shot it. When working without a DIT, I really feel that productions miss out an all the benefits that a digital workflow has to offer. The biggest one be immediacy.

Your main argument seems to stem from the DIT not coming to set and helping when they are not busy, personally I always help on set when i’m not doing something. Just saying…were not all so one dimensional. I don’t think people should write us off.

This is not meant to be aggressive. Just offering those reading this article the perspective of someone who makes their living verifying footage.

]]> By: Lei http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-19125 Lei Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:36:32 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-19125 Hi Shane, I was wondering how do you deal with the aspect ratio issue (The ratio is different ) with 5D MarkII when you recording with a external Monitor?? Hi Shane,

I was wondering how do you deal with the aspect ratio issue (The ratio is different ) with 5D MarkII when you recording with a external Monitor??

]]> By: Brandon http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-18701 Brandon Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:29:45 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-18701 Wow. Sounds like a dream come true with ease of use and automation of critical processes. is there a MSRP on this? I wonder what the reception will be from DIT's that have just spent alot building their kits -- Wow. Sounds like a dream come true with ease of use and automation of critical processes. is there a MSRP on this?

I wonder what the reception will be from DIT’s that have just spent alot building their kits –

]]> By: Bob Demers http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-18629 Bob Demers Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:55:33 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-18629 Mmmm...Codex Vault...automate the data wrangling... I'm thinking Compressor droplets combined with Apple Automation to set up a mac based version of this. Another inspirational blog...thanks so much Shane! BD Mmmm…Codex Vault…automate the data wrangling…

I’m thinking Compressor droplets combined with Apple Automation to set up a mac based version of this.

Another inspirational blog…thanks so much Shane!

BD

]]> By: david shepherd http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/bringing-the-dark-room-back/comment-page-1/#comment-18601 david shepherd Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:18:47 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7369#comment-18601 Hello Shane, Thank you for the information. Right now I do not see myself personally using a solution like this as I am not film making just yet. I do enjoy the info-torial on this and what is hot in the industry from working professionals. This actually allows me to think about creating workflows for myself that fit my needs. This product looks to be really bad-ass! It seems to be a solution that is moving the industry forward in ways that integrates the old and new. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and please continue to give your insight as I personal look forward to learning what you think and ingesting your advise into my everyday creative process. Your the Man! David Shepherd Hello Shane,

Thank you for the information. Right now I do not see myself personally using a solution like this as I am not film making just yet. I do enjoy the info-torial on this and what is hot in the industry from working professionals. This actually allows me to think about creating workflows for myself that fit my needs.

This product looks to be really bad-ass! It seems to be a solution that is moving the industry forward in ways that integrates the old and new. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and please continue to give your insight as I personal look forward to learning what you think and ingesting your advise into my everyday creative process. Your the Man!

David Shepherd

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