Comments on: Canon 1DC Camera Tests from “The Ticket” http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/ Create | Innovate | Educate Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:53:57 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Check It Out: Canon’s EOS-1D C | ARCBLOG http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-62537 Check It Out: Canon’s EOS-1D C | ARCBLOG Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:01:14 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-62537 [...] The camera can see in the dark. Boost the ISO all the way to 6400 and still get a workable noise [...] [...] The camera can see in the dark. Boost the ISO all the way to 6400 and still get a workable noise [...]

]]> By: Andre L. http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-48700 Andre L. Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:23:05 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-48700 Hi Shane, Thanks a million for your reply! Extremely helpful input - I think you've swayed me to the C300... Although (sorry, one last question), can't the C100 perform just as well as the C300 shooting uncompressed to an external recorder? (Just in terms of pure image quality, disregarding drawbacks like needing to buy a Z-Finder, etc.) Given such a drastic price difference (merely $7500 if you add an Atomos Ninja, which would suit me fine, vs. $15,000 for C300), I'd be amazed if the C100 really could match the C300 image-wise. But if it does match, I'd be really tempted by that price. Thanks again for your feedback! I really appreciate it. Best, Andre Hi Shane,
Thanks a million for your reply! Extremely helpful input – I think you’ve swayed me to the C300… Although (sorry, one last question), can’t the C100 perform just as well as the C300 shooting uncompressed to an external recorder? (Just in terms of pure image quality, disregarding drawbacks like needing to buy a Z-Finder, etc.) Given such a drastic price difference (merely $7500 if you add an Atomos Ninja, which would suit me fine, vs. $15,000 for C300), I’d be amazed if the C100 really could match the C300 image-wise. But if it does match, I’d be really tempted by that price.
Thanks again for your feedback! I really appreciate it.
Best,
Andre

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-48522 Shane Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:13:00 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-48522 Andre L. Based on what you're telling me I would recommend using the C300. It has a great image a lot more docu friendly features. Waveform, peaking, XLR inputs, and a easier workflow. The 1DC does have a sharper more filmic image, but it's more work to convert all the shots to 1080P. I have not tried using an external, only shooting 4k and 1080 to the CF cards. Get some good vintage glass on the C300 and it will look great though. Nikon AI lenses work really well. <a href="http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/still-lenses/" title="Still Lenses that can grace the big screen" rel="nofollow"></a>. If you had the budget for both cameras you could usr the 1DC for the vista shots and best looking cinematic shots. Then use the C300 as your bread and butter camera. However if you had to go with just one, go for the C300 with some good glass. Hope that helps. Thanks for the kind words and support. Andre L. Based on what you’re telling me I would recommend using the C300. It has a great image a lot more docu friendly features. Waveform, peaking, XLR inputs, and a easier workflow. The 1DC does have a sharper more filmic image, but it’s more work to convert all the shots to 1080P. I have not tried using an external, only shooting 4k and 1080 to the CF cards. Get some good vintage glass on the C300 and it will look great though. Nikon AI lenses work really well. . If you had the budget for both cameras you could usr the 1DC for the vista shots and best looking cinematic shots. Then use the C300 as your bread and butter camera. However if you had to go with just one, go for the C300 with some good glass. Hope that helps. Thanks for the kind words and support.

]]> By: Andre L. http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-48131 Andre L. Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:07:31 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-48131 Hi Shane, Thanks for all your great work and invaluable info! Do you know how the 1DC shooting at 1080p (to an external recorder) compares to the C300, in general and in terms of sharpness? I'd like to use the 1DC for a doc that will finish at 1080. My idea is to shoot most of the footage (generally of people in medium shots and CUs) at 1080p, but for a lot of crucial landscape shots (which I want as detailed as possible) I would shoot at 4K to CF cards and down-res to 1080 in post - I'm assuming this would produce sharper landscape shots that still wouldn't look *too* much sharper than the other footage. (Given the volume I'll be shooting, it would be cumbersome and much more expensive to shoot *everything* at 4K and down-res in post. I'd really have to be selective of what I shoot in 4K.) Perhaps it sounds like a waste to use the 1DC for a project that has to finish at 1080, but if I want to get the best possible (and most detailed) image at 1080, is it likely the 1DC is actually the best option? I can also afford a C300 or C100, but I'm put off by the less filmic look of those cameras, from samples I've seen. I haven't tested the C300/100 yet, so I don't know firsthand what some DPs mean by "It takes a lot of work to make their footage look filmic." Squig at Cinema5D wrote the following on the 1DC at 1080p: "the C300 was designed for 1080p output from the ground up. The 1DC is a rebadged 1DX with a heat sink and 4k firmware so it will have the same compromised line skipped 1080p output as the 1DX. The best way to get 1080p out of the 1DC is to downscale the 4k footage in post, how that compares resolution wise to the C300 I couldn't say but I imagine it will be pretty close." Do you have a different opinion, any firsthand experience with the 1DC at 1080p? Thank you for your time. Best, André Hi Shane,

Thanks for all your great work and invaluable info!

Do you know how the 1DC shooting at 1080p (to an external recorder) compares to the C300, in general and in terms of sharpness?

I’d like to use the 1DC for a doc that will finish at 1080. My idea is to shoot most of the footage (generally of people in medium shots and CUs) at 1080p, but for a lot of crucial landscape shots (which I want as detailed as possible) I would shoot at 4K to CF cards and down-res to 1080 in post – I’m assuming this would produce sharper landscape shots that still wouldn’t look *too* much sharper than the other footage. (Given the volume I’ll be shooting, it would be cumbersome and much more expensive to shoot *everything* at 4K and down-res in post. I’d really have to be selective of what I shoot in 4K.)

Perhaps it sounds like a waste to use the 1DC for a project that has to finish at 1080, but if I want to get the best possible (and most detailed) image at 1080, is it likely the 1DC is actually the best option? I can also afford a C300 or C100, but I’m put off by the less filmic look of those cameras, from samples I’ve seen. I haven’t tested the C300/100 yet, so I don’t know firsthand what some DPs mean by “It takes a lot of work to make their footage look filmic.”

Squig at Cinema5D wrote the following on the 1DC at 1080p:

“the C300 was designed for 1080p output from the ground up. The 1DC is a rebadged 1DX with a heat sink and 4k firmware so it will have the same compromised line skipped 1080p output as the 1DX. The best way to get 1080p out of the 1DC is to downscale the 4k footage in post, how that compares resolution wise to the C300 I couldn’t say but I imagine it will be pretty close.”

Do you have a different opinion, any firsthand experience with the 1DC at 1080p?

Thank you for your time.
Best,
André

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-17698 Shane Sat, 13 Oct 2012 05:30:07 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-17698 Roman (Canon user), I like it very much at 1250. I thought it delivered really well Roman (Canon user), I like it very much at 1250. I thought it delivered really well

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-17697 Shane Sat, 13 Oct 2012 05:29:33 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-17697 Roman (Canon user), not it is not free of rolling shutter or moire', actually got bitten in the ass with the moire' today on this Ford Commercial, had to turn to the Alexa. Roman (Canon user), not it is not free of rolling shutter or moire’, actually got bitten in the ass with the moire’ today on this Ford Commercial, had to turn to the Alexa.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-17681 Shane Sat, 13 Oct 2012 05:13:18 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-17681 Sabyasachi Patra, I have no idea on that. So sorry!! Sabyasachi Patra, I have no idea on that. So sorry!!

]]> By: Sabyasachi Patra http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-17601 Sabyasachi Patra Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:53:14 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-17601 Hi Shane, Any idea if the 4K codec of the 1D C will be approved for broadcast by BBC/NGC etc. I am waiting for the 1D C to be officially launched and made available. Thanks for your responses. Cheers, Sabyasachi Hi Shane,
Any idea if the 4K codec of the 1D C will be approved for broadcast by BBC/NGC etc.

I am waiting for the 1D C to be officially launched and made available. Thanks for your responses.
Cheers,
Sabyasachi

]]> By: Roman (Canon user) http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-16814 Roman (Canon user) Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:16:52 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-16814 And another one question: how about the rolling shutter problem? Is this DSLR free from one? And another one question: how about the rolling shutter problem? Is this DSLR free from one?

]]> By: Roman (Canon user) http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-16813 Roman (Canon user) Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:14:58 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-16813 Wow! This test is very good indeed! I wonder: why is ISO 640 and 1250 looks BETTER then the lower ISOs? Wow! This test is very good indeed!
I wonder: why is ISO 640 and 1250 looks BETTER then the lower ISOs?

]]> By: Shane Hurlbut’s Canon 1D-C Tests | FilmmakerIQ.com http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-16134 Shane Hurlbut’s Canon 1D-C Tests | FilmmakerIQ.com Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:03:26 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-16134 [...] Putting the 1DC Thru the Paces: [...] [...] Putting the 1DC Thru the Paces: [...]

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-16107 Shane Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:10:41 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-16107 James B, you are very welcome. I use Neutral -3 Contrast -1 Saturation. Not a big fan of cinestyle unless I am in extreme conditions of light and dark. The histogram has never related to shooting video with any of the Canon Cameras, that is why I did not show it. James B, you are very welcome. I use Neutral -3 Contrast -1 Saturation. Not a big fan of cinestyle unless I am in extreme conditions of light and dark. The histogram has never related to shooting video with any of the Canon Cameras, that is why I did not show it.

]]> By: James B. http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-16046 James B. Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:32:09 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-16046 Thanks for sharing! Couple questions, for all instances of Neutral, did you use default settings? How does Cinestyle compare to Canon log? One minor suggestion- would have been great if you could somehow have shown the on camera histogram for each setting. Thanks for sharing! Couple questions, for all instances of Neutral, did you use default settings?
How does Cinestyle compare to Canon log?
One minor suggestion- would have been great if you could somehow have shown the on camera histogram for each setting.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-15804 Shane Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:24:04 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-15804 Oli Kember, thanks, yes, every camera I try to put through the paces, because each digital camera is like a new emulsion. Oli Kember, thanks, yes, every camera I try to put through the paces, because each digital camera is like a new emulsion.

]]> By: Oli Kember http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-15803 Oli Kember Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:19:24 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-15803 Great homework! Do you test every camera this rigorously before a shoot? Do you ever field test something, try it out in action and just see how it goes? Or was it just the ISO of this particular camera that you were testing..? Thanks. Great homework! Do you test every camera this rigorously before a shoot? Do you ever field test something, try it out in action and just see how it goes? Or was it just the ISO of this particular camera that you were testing..? Thanks.

]]> By: Ron http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-15802 Ron Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:07:21 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-15802 Many cameras are popping up. I'm still thinking about upgrading to the Canon 1DC when it arrives on the scene. I noticed an ad from Australia selling the 1DC for sub $10K. http://www.techrific.com.au/canon-eos-1d-c-digital-slr-camera-body-only-1dc-free-gift-12mth-local-warranty-p-2956.html I wonder if the ad is real, and if so, whether Canon will have a $10K price here in North America? Many cameras are popping up. I’m still thinking about upgrading to the Canon 1DC when it arrives on the scene. I noticed an ad from Australia selling the 1DC for sub $10K.
http://www.techrific.com.au/canon-eos-1d-c-digital-slr-camera-body-only-1dc-free-gift-12mth-local-warranty-p-2956.html

I wonder if the ad is real, and if so, whether Canon will have a $10K price here in North America?

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-15758 Shane Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:59:41 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-15758 Gareth, already shot with the C500 and loved it. Looking forward to get my hands on the BMC. Gareth, already shot with the C500 and loved it. Looking forward to get my hands on the BMC.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-15757 Shane Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:58:37 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-15757 Greyfus, thank you for your kind words. Yes, I have made Canon aware of this in March of 2012, so hopefully they will make it happen. Greyfus, thank you for your kind words. Yes, I have made Canon aware of this in March of 2012, so hopefully they will make it happen.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-15753 Shane Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:53:09 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-15753 Bob Franco, I have not really tested the 1DX, it seems like a nice camera. I think it would be worth renting first and do some tests so that you can see what grabs you. Bob Franco, I have not really tested the 1DX, it seems like a nice camera. I think it would be worth renting first and do some tests so that you can see what grabs you.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/canon-1dc-camera-tests-from-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-15752 Shane Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:51:58 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=7095#comment-15752 Sabyasachi Patra, this camera will be amazing for that. It starts recording immediately. You will need the new high speed LEXAR cards that are 1000mp/sec. Sabyasachi Patra, this camera will be amazing for that. It starts recording immediately. You will need the new high speed LEXAR cards that are 1000mp/sec.

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