My cinematography interns and I set out on a mission to showcase the many uses of a polarizing filter. Questions have come up in the past about Fader NDs and their quickness. How can a polarizer help you tell your stories?
Driving Miss Daisy
The most common use for a pola is to cut reflections off of car windows. When you are driving down the road, nasty glare can affect just how much you see the faces inside the vehicle. By using a pola, you can choose exactly how much reflection you want to keep of overhanging trees or buildings on your windshield, or you can choose to eliminate all reflection to see deeper in the vehicle. On the New Mexico Department of Transportation campaign, I chose to keep just a little blue reflection on the glass. If we went under trees, they were reflected.
On Crazy/Beautiful, we were in the car a lot. I needed to mix it up a bit in different scenes. In some, I would inject significant blue sky contamination, while in others, I would dial it all out to see our actors and their emotions.
Creamier Skin for Period Pieces
Another use for the pola is using it to dial all skin reflection out. I am not a big fan of this, and it is the main reason that I don’t like Fader NDs. They consist of two polas that rotate against each other. This can give any desired Neutral Density you would like, but in the process, loses skin reflection. Yet sometimes this is desirable. On The Greatest Game Ever Played, I wanted the skin tones to be pasty and without reflection. This caused a very creamy look to the actor’s skin tones, which worked for the look of the film and its time period. I don’t like to take the vitality out of people’s skin in general, and that is what Fader NDs do.
Shia with Pola
Shia without Pola
To Darken: A Road Less Traveled
I have shot many car commercials, and you cannot always bring out a water truck to wet down the road so that it feels nice and black. A little trick you can do is to use the pola to take out the sky reflection in the road and make it a deeper shade of charcoal.
Blue Sky
Another good reason to use a pola is to create bluer skies. This only works if you are shooting 90 degrees off the sun’s direction. If the sun is in the East, then polarization will be good shooting North and South. If your sun is in the South, you will have best polarization East and West. If you are 45% off of these coordinates, then you will get half of the effect. I find this process very useful in creating color contrast, which I feel is incredibly important with HD. This color contrast gives HD a more filmic look by using different colors to create contrast, not with just stretching your digital negative. If you have a sand colored scene, then getting a nice blue sky will help give the scene depth and dimension. If you have beautiful rich green trees, then a vibrant blue sky will offset this.
Saturation
In The Greatest Game, I not only used a pola to give creamy, pasty skin tones, but also to increase saturation in the trees, grass, etc. By using the pola to dial the sky reflection off of the leaves and grass, you get a deeper shade of green. This works for many colors that pick up sky refection as well.
Equipment used for test footage:
Canon 5D Mark III
Neutral Picture Style, ISO 100, F2.8
24mm, 50mm, and 100mm Lenses
Letus LTMB1 Matte Box
Tiffen 138mm Ultra Polarizer
Tiffen Water White 4X5 ND Filters
OConnor 1030 Sticks and Head
Supplied by Revolution Cinema Rentals
The Letus LTMB1 Matte Box was used for shooting this test footage for its 138mm Rota Pola tray and adjustment wheel, which made it easy to adjust the polarizing filter while recording. Here are some of examples of the key features of the Matte Box:
Thanks to actor Adam Solon for being a part of our test.
How have you used polarizing filters?
What tricks have you discovered on shoots?
Tags: Filters, letus, pola, polarizing filter, spon-canon, spon-tiffen
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Excellent post, Shane! Thanks for taking the time!
Page Lynch, thank you so much for your kind words.
Very interesting post! I’ve used the Fader ND many times but I have not yet got into the practice of using polarizing filters often. Is the Tiffen Polarizer your favorite or do you have other preferences?
Always a pleasure to read your blog!
Barrett K, I love Tiffen glass in general, I like having circular and linear at the ready.
I found out (by accident), that if you have a pola on top of a variable ND, turning the pola changes color temp.
Frank
Frank Glencairn, Yes Letus makes this exact item and it is pretty bangin’, go to their website and check it out. DSLR shooter just did a review of the Letus Master Cinema Series Mattebox and the color changing filter.
Shane,
It must be exhausting keeping up this blog the way you do, but I can’t tell you how grateful I am that you do. Great post as always!
-Ben
Ben Corwin, Its comments like these that keep me and my team going. Thank you for supporting and noticing, it takes a village. I have an amazing team surrounding me.
Thanks so much for sharing! I didn’t know you could do so much with them!
I do use them to get more chrominance out of skies an things like that but I had never thought of reflections.
Once you use them for a certain shot, do you keep using them through out the film? that is, regardless whether or not you need them.
Again, thank you so much!
Best regards,
Israel
Israel Perez, Thank you so much for your wonderful kind words and support. I useably use them for wides then take them out when I go into medium and close ups.
I’ve just started playing around with ND filters, so your post is perfect timing. I appreciate the work you put into your blog.
Just a couple of quick side questions: How much did you use the 5D in Deadfall? Was it mainly just for the car shots?
Thanks again.
Ansel
Ansel, thank you so much for your kind words and noticing the effort. 15% was 5D shots. The car accident, the snowmobile chase and little pick ups here and there.
Thanks alot Uncle Shane! These blogs are insightful and I share them with everyone at my college and even the professors starting to recommend that we look at your blog periodically. Trust me, it beats film school. Nothing like a professional taking his time to give back to the next generation
I have one question! Whats the order for stacking ND’s and POLAS, which is supposed to be in front and whats the general rule for stacking FILTERS. Lastly, do you generally stack ND’s & POLAS together or just use POLAS alone and ND’s when trying to stop down
Thadon Calico, You are so welcome and thank you so much for the kind words. I am glad you are able to use these posts. Maybe the professors can talk with your college to support and keep the blog going as a sponsor. Check out the little video I put at the end of the piece. I just added it today. Pola is always first, then ND. If you are using diffusion, the order would be Pola, then diffusion, then ND, yes, I stack pola’s and ND’s all the time.
Thanks for the videos. Very useful. Out of interest, when would you ever leave all the reflection in a car window so that it was hard to see the actors inside? Thanks.
Oli Kember, check out the Crazy?Beautiful shot where I kept half in on Jay Hernandez, I did that because I wanted to show the distance between them, kind of gauze him a bit. Tony Scott does it all the time, CHeck out Man On Fire. I think it is a wonderful artistic choice to leave a little or a lot. losing all reflection seems forced
Hi Shane,
priceless post, thank you so much for the post and whole blog. In The greatest game ever played- you said your intension was to use fader ND to make the skin tones look creamy and without reflection. Let’s say you wouldn’t want to make them look that way, so you wouldn’t use ND’s, but you would want to keep that nice bokeh background you had in shots, for the talents to pop out. What would you do? I can imagine one method maybe to use zoom lens wich is stopped down to desired brightness?
Paul D, First off thank you so much for your kind words and support of this blog. Comments like these keep me going. I never use Fader ND’s ever. They are not good for much of anything. What I did was use the pola to saturate the colors and remove the reflection from their faces. This is something that I do not do as a practice but for this period piece I thought it looked awesome, it was my artistic choice. But on any other film I would never use a pola when shooting medium or close up shots, it sucks the life our of their skin. I use ND’s and pola’s in combination all the time. I used heavy amounts of ND on Greatest Game, I pretty sure I shot most of the movie, even my day exteriors at a f 2.0.
Thanks for your reply Shane, may I ask why you don’t use Variable ND filters? And is it correct that they consist of two pola filters?
cheers!
Paul D, the reason I do not like them is because of what it does to people’s skin, like in the video it sucks the life out of them, all that beautiful reflection, all that vitality.
Shane, you are absolutely right, just did a test with and with out Variable ND filter and with picture looks way flatter, so I guess if the light input has to be “dimmed” ND filter is the way to go
Paul D, yes, you got it. My Indie kit that I made at Tiffen is the way to go. HV Indie and Indie Plus, this is 77mm filters or you can go HV Pro and Pro Plus which include 4 x 5 filtration.
Thanks Shane will look into them. What are your thoughts/experience with SOFT / FX filters?
Paul D, I like them very much, I still feel I would take Tiffen’s digital diffusion over Soft Efx’s though.
Best use of pola filters for me is to cut-off unwanted light fixatures reflections from shiny floors and walls while shooting interior scenes. Nothing reveal light setup (and rendering it artifacal and unbelivable) as reflection on floor.
I dont like to use them outside for cinematography, especialy circular one, becouse polarisation of light change with movment of camera. If take is stil, it work but as soon as you move camera light patterns start to change. I`m also not fan of what they do to the skin.
On last shooting i finnaly used linear instead of circular, it behave a bit more tolerant to camera movment but noticably less controlable.
Stevo Vasiljevic, thank you so much for sharing. Linear is the way to go outside. I agree
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Here in Holland i use The polar filters for The typical Dutch sky with The famous clouds. Like the paintings.
Martijn de Vre, sweet. I love Holland, I thought I would be able to get to IBC but prepping my next film. Thanks for the support
Shane I’m a cameraman with 60 Minutes, just wanted to say how much i value your blog. Also just watched Act of Valour, its the best, most realistic theatrical combat footage i’ve seen. Period.
Chris Albert, It is so wonderful to hear that the blog, which was my beautiful wife’s idea is touching so many people and helping them. Thank you for the kind words and your support with Act of Valor. I think we all knocked it out on that one.
Another exceptional job. As always the best info is found here.
Thank you.
Kent
Kent Jakusz, thank you so much for those wonderful kind words and your support.
Hi again Shane,
You mentioned about adding more sponsors to the blog. My brother is the manager of a film school. His school may be interested in being a sponsor. He’s already a bit fan of yours.
Who do we talk to, to get the ball rolling?
Thanks,
Ansel
Ansel, that is great news. Please have your brother reach out to lydia@hurlbutvisuals.com. She deals with all sponsorship and will send your brother our presentation. It has a lot of unique perks, Skype calls to the class, lighting workshops, etc. Look forward to us connecting.
Sounds great. Thanks Shane.
I’ll send that through to him.
Looking forward to seeing what we can work out.
Ansel, I would love that, thank you for making the connection.
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Thank you for sharing this very useful information. The practical examples are especially helpful!
Really appreciate it.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry van Varik, you are very welcome. Part two coming in hot on Wednesday
Shane,
Great article on Polarizing filters. I have always loved how they can cut window reflection as well as deepen skies. I shoot a lot with a skeleton crew, and by skeleton I mean I may have 2 other people with me if I am lucky so I don’t always have the means to control the light as much when I am shooting outside. That said I can see in your example why you are not a fan of dialing out the skin reflection in shots like that but what about when you have much harsher reflection from a more contrasty situation? Sometimes a bounce does not cut it enough to even thing out as much as I would want but what about in tandem with the Polarizer?
Thanks
-D
I often use a pola to cut haze especially for landscapes.
I didn’t know that about skin tones! I never really thought about it before or ever heard anyone else talk about it! Thanks for the post that turned out way more informative than I expected, being a veteran!
Jendra Jarnagin, you are very welcome my friend. I am glad you found it useful.
Shane, such a great post. I was curious what lens setup and cam you used for the greatest game ever played. The skin tones seamed very creamy so I would suspect Leica or Optimos. Any direction would be appreciated. You’re such a great voice for the filmmaking community!
Michael Gaskell, first off, thank you so much for your wonderful words. I used vintage Zeiss Panavision Ultra Primes. 1963 lens technology. Love the creamy look.
Shane,
Great series on filters.
I have, what i hope is not, a stupid question. Should filters be stacked in any certain order, if you are using multiples.
Don. You if you are using a polarizer and ND you want to put the Pola first then ND. If you are using diffusion you want to use diffusion first then ND. Thanks for the comment and support.
Shane thanks for the reply.
Where in the stack would you place a Grad?
Hello Shane,
I just want to thank you for all the information you give to all of us… this post blows my mind. I friend of mine told me about your blog..since then I try to read it every day and I always learn many things. Thanks so much again and God bless your wife for giving you this wonderful idea. Keep it coming and greetings from Lima-Peru
Jose Burgos, these are the comments that inspire all of us at the HurlBlog. Thank you for the kind words and will pass this onto Lydia
Thank you Shane,
I really admire that you take the time to make these tutorials. It really makes a difference and helps aspiring film makers incredibly. I have been trying to learn cinematography for a couple of years now. I shot some non profit commercials back in the Czech Republic and got a scholarship for a film school in Australia… but after a while I got slightly disillusioned, because most of the teaching staff don’t really care, their passion has somehow faded.
That is why I wanted to say a big Thank you, because seeing your passion for the craft and how you find the time to give back to the community, this is incredible… It gives a hope to kids like me, that even without being born into a film production family (that is how most people become film makers, where I come from) you can still learn cinematography.
I’m sorry for writing such a long reply, what mean is: simply thanks, if possible keep it up and if you ever need someone to shadow you, or know about anyone in Australia, who could use an assistant, I would be most grateful.
Filip Laureys, These are the comments that keep me crakin’. I cannot thank you enough for your kind words and support. I want to come to Australia soon.
Shane, when you come down to Australia, definitely let me know. The least I can do is treat you a dinner, or take you to the Great Ocean Road… since your work and tutorials have been helping so many aspiring film makers.
Having shot a DSLR for about 7 years I feel confident in my shooting skills. The new aspect of video is another matter. I am overwhelmed with the amount of information and don’t even know where to start or what equipment to buy.
Maybe you could make a list of “must haves” for the novice to get you up and running in the right direction. This could be any number of things from lighting, external mics or some type of grip that makes smooth handling. Being a total novice maybe you could make a list with a short explanation of each item. If I am going to get started making some movies with this thing I want to be on my way with some decent gear and direction. Price isn’t the biggest consideration, I am more Interested in the nessecities for making some quality video.
Mostly I am looking to make some fun videos of motorcycles and automobiles set to music.
The genre isn’t all that important, more of the quality of the video and audio. Although setting it to music may share much
of the sound.
Thanks for putting this info out there. It’s just difficult getting started where this is maybe more
Advanced info then I am ready for.