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]]> By: Ivar Edding http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3666 Ivar Edding Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:50:56 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3666 Hey Phil! Yeah, I had a hard time finding the answer myself, but here's a link to a post I made in Creative Cow that helped me get on track. http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1000730 Short version though is your best bet is to set the working space to whatever your output will be, i.e. if you plan on outputting to sRGB, then set working space to sRGB. Then you'll work in the color space in AE that you'll be outputting to, and what you see in the comp viewer will be what you get in the end. But if you shot using aRGB1998, you need to interpret the clips as such. As long as you do this, you can set your working space as whatever you like, e.g sRGB, Rec709 etc. When you output, you don't need to color manage the output, just use working space and there will be no nasty surprises. Good luck! Hey Phil!

Yeah, I had a hard time finding the answer myself, but here’s a link to a post I made in Creative Cow that helped me get on track. http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1000730

Short version though is your best bet is to set the working space to whatever your output will be, i.e. if you plan on outputting to sRGB, then set working space to sRGB. Then you’ll work in the color space in AE that you’ll be outputting to, and what you see in the comp viewer will be what you get in the end. But if you shot using aRGB1998, you need to interpret the clips as such. As long as you do this, you can set your working space as whatever you like, e.g sRGB, Rec709 etc. When you output, you don’t need to color manage the output, just use working space and there will be no nasty surprises.

Good luck!

]]> By: Philipvw http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3665 Philipvw Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:29:21 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3665 Hi Ivar, I've been looking into aRGB 1998 as well, but I couldn't find THE correct color management settings too. But you seem THE only one asking on THE web. So, do you get correct colors when interpreting footage as aRGB 1998, working space aRGB 1998, and when exporting setting 'OUTPUT module' (located at render queue) to sRGB.. Please answer, because I can't seem to find THE correct answer thanks! Phil Hi Ivar,
I’ve been looking into aRGB 1998 as well, but I couldn’t find THE correct color management settings too. But you seem THE only one asking on THE web. So, do you get correct colors when interpreting footage as aRGB 1998, working space aRGB 1998, and when exporting setting ‘OUTPUT module’ (located at render queue) to sRGB..

Please answer, because I can’t seem to find THE correct answer
thanks!
Phil

]]> By: Ivar Edding http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3664 Ivar Edding Tue, 31 May 2011 07:46:04 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3664 AdobeRGB was the camera setting, clip interpreted as AdobeRGB in AE, and working space as whatever the output is intended to be, in my case sRGB. AdobeRGB was the camera setting, clip interpreted as AdobeRGB in AE, and working space as whatever the output is intended to be, in my case sRGB.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3663 Shane Mon, 30 May 2011 17:10:57 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3663 Ivar Edding, so through all of this. What was the setting on the camera? sRGB or Adobe RGB?? Ivar Edding, so through all of this. What was the setting on the camera? sRGB or Adobe RGB??

]]> By: Ivar Edding http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3662 Ivar Edding Mon, 30 May 2011 08:01:11 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3662 I managed to figure out what was going wrong, and thought I'd share it here for anyone who finds this informative. - My mistake was to set the working space (in the project setting) to AdobeRGB(1998) and then interpret the clips as working space, i.e AdobeRGB(1998). This made the renders look bad regardless of the output profile. - When I changed my working space to anything else, say sRGB or Rec709, the clips all looked washed out already in the comp viewer in AE. - Here's my mistake: I had interpreted the clips as working space, so when I let the working space be sRGB, and the interpreted the clips as AdobeRGB(1998) - boom! They all looked good again! And now when rendering with the ouput profile as working space (sRGB), the renders look as expected. - Triumph! I managed to figure out what was going wrong, and thought I’d share it here for anyone who finds this informative.

- My mistake was to set the working space (in the project setting) to AdobeRGB(1998) and then interpret the clips as working space, i.e AdobeRGB(1998). This made the renders look bad regardless of the output profile.
- When I changed my working space to anything else, say sRGB or Rec709, the clips all looked washed out already in the comp viewer in AE.
- Here’s my mistake: I had interpreted the clips as working space, so when I let the working space be sRGB, and the interpreted the clips as AdobeRGB(1998) – boom! They all looked good again! And now when rendering with the ouput profile as working space (sRGB), the renders look as expected.
- Triumph!

]]> By: Ivar Edding http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3661 Ivar Edding Wed, 11 May 2011 19:51:46 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3661 Hey K Wasley! Thanks for your input! :) I'm a Mac guy since my first computer. And the first thing I did when I got this one was to remove the incredibly annoying quicktime X and installing qt 7. The picks I linked to on flickr is from After Effects, and haven't been to FCP. Viewing in in qt or photoshop yields the same result. As I said earlier I think it's something to do with the sRGB lut being applied at render time, OR my misunderstanding of the way to apply AdobeRGB in After Effects. What bothers me is that the monitor/computer is obviously able to show the more saturated lush colors, so why can't it produce a render that looks like that? Hey K Wasley! Thanks for your input!
:) I’m a Mac guy since my first computer. And the first thing I did when I got this one was to remove the incredibly annoying quicktime X and installing qt 7. The picks I linked to on flickr is from After Effects, and haven’t been to FCP. Viewing in in qt or photoshop yields the same result. As I said earlier I think it’s something to do with the sRGB lut being applied at render time, OR my misunderstanding of the way to apply AdobeRGB in After Effects. What bothers me is that the monitor/computer is obviously able to show the more saturated lush colors, so why can’t it produce a render that looks like that?

]]> By: K Wasley http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3660 K Wasley Thu, 05 May 2011 08:35:30 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3660 what program are you using to view your rendered output file? If you are using quicktime, quicktime X looks different to quicktime 7. Have you tried viewing through quicktime 7 with 'final cut compatibility' turned on? Or are you a PC guy in which case that's a foreign world to me! what program are you using to view your rendered output file? If you are using quicktime, quicktime X looks different to quicktime 7. Have you tried viewing through quicktime 7 with ‘final cut compatibility’ turned on? Or are you a PC guy in which case that’s a foreign world to me!

]]> By: Ivar Edding http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3659 Ivar Edding Thu, 05 May 2011 03:30:40 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3659 Shane, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time off your busy schedule to reply me. I will definitely try to do what Mike suggests, but I don't see how that's going to solve the color space issue. There's something strange happening when rendering out of AE, like some automatic sRGB LUT is being applied or something. I wish there was a way to keep those rich reds when rendering. Anyway Shane, thank you so much for your time and effort. Your blog is a constant replenishment of inspiration. Keep rocking! Shane, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time off your busy schedule to reply me. I will definitely try to do what Mike suggests, but I don’t see how that’s going to solve the color space issue. There’s something strange happening when rendering out of AE, like some automatic sRGB LUT is being applied or something. I wish there was a way to keep those rich reds when rendering.

Anyway Shane, thank you so much for your time and effort. Your blog is a constant replenishment of inspiration. Keep rocking!

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3658 Shane Tue, 03 May 2011 20:48:11 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3658 Ivar Edding, thank you so much for your kind words, here is what my Adobe Guru Mike Kanfer has to say: Please advise the Ivar NOT to convert to ProRes before he brings the files into AE. (that will keep it the cleanest...that's what we do best around here...we read the 7D H.264 file natively and do not add any more compression or artifacts by going to ProRes...he's doing an un-necessary step) Have him import the file natively into AE and try again. There you go. Try this. Ivar Edding, thank you so much for your kind words, here is what my Adobe Guru Mike Kanfer has to say:
Please advise the Ivar NOT to convert to ProRes before he brings the files into AE. (that will keep it the cleanest…that’s what we do best around here…we read the 7D H.264 file natively and do not add any more compression or artifacts by going to ProRes…he’s doing an un-necessary step) Have him import the file natively into AE and try again. There you go. Try this.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3657 Shane Tue, 03 May 2011 20:41:03 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3657 Jonathan Newton, I cannot thank you enough for these kind words. This is awesome!!! Take this platform and create, tell these stories, bring them to life. Thank you for inspiring me with all of this wonderful support. I cannot wait to see what you create. Jonathan Newton, I cannot thank you enough for these kind words. This is awesome!!! Take this platform and create, tell these stories, bring them to life. Thank you for inspiring me with all of this wonderful support. I cannot wait to see what you create.

]]> By: Ivar Edding http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3656 Ivar Edding Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:36:10 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3656 Dear Shane, Awsome series for B&H, picked up some nuggets for sure! I have a technical question though: you state in one of the episodes that you use Adobe RGB for better skin tones. I took that advice and filmed a model shoot recently and I've run into issues in post. Firstly I convert all the h264's to Prores4444, then import it into After Effects for grading, where I switch my project setting in to Adobe RGB (1998) and then interpreting the footage as Working space (i.e Adobe RGB (1998), and the skin tones really shine! Lush, full, saturated and just dang nice! But rendering to a file is another story. When I look at my rendered clips, be it Animation codec, h264, Tiff sequence or what have you, they all look duller and desaturated. What am I doing wrong? Take these two images as an example http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivaredding/5672303476/in/photostream/ this one is a screen grab and http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivaredding/5671736913/in/photostream/ this one is rendered to file. Wow, I'm definitely missing something. I would be very grateful for any advice. Thank you! Dear Shane,
Awsome series for B&H, picked up some nuggets for sure!

I have a technical question though: you state in one of the episodes that you use Adobe RGB for better skin tones. I took that advice and filmed a model shoot recently and I’ve run into issues in post. Firstly I convert all the h264′s to Prores4444, then import it into After Effects for grading, where I switch my project setting in to Adobe RGB (1998) and then interpreting the footage as Working space (i.e Adobe RGB (1998), and the skin tones really shine! Lush, full, saturated and just dang nice! But rendering to a file is another story. When I look at my rendered clips, be it Animation codec, h264, Tiff sequence or what have you, they all look duller and desaturated. What am I doing wrong?
Take these two images as an example http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivaredding/5672303476/in/photostream/ this one is a screen grab and http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivaredding/5671736913/in/photostream/ this one is rendered to file. Wow, I’m definitely missing something.

I would be very grateful for any advice.

Thank you!

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3655 Shane Wed, 27 Apr 2011 05:55:33 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3655 Jonathan Newton, thank you and I would love to grab a lunch and a coffee when I make my way there. Hopefully in the near future. Jonathan Newton, thank you and I would love to grab a lunch and a coffee when I make my way there. Hopefully in the near future.

]]> By: Jonathan Newton http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3654 Jonathan Newton Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:57:57 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3654 Thank you Shane. I shall definitely show you some work from Down here. I'm looking forward to exploring the work flow of the HDSRL. If your work ever brings you to Melbourne, Australia, I would like to buy you lunch and a coffee and pick your brain a little more about what is possible and how things can be done. Thanks again. Jonathan Newton Thank you Shane. I shall definitely show you some work from Down here. I’m looking forward to exploring the work flow of the HDSRL.

If your work ever brings you to Melbourne, Australia, I would like to buy you lunch and a coffee and pick your brain a little more about what is possible and how things can be done.

Thanks again.

Jonathan Newton

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3653 Shane Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:30:17 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3653 Jonathan Newton, this one comment made all the hard work, stress, effort and endless hours worth collaborating with B & H. I am so glad that this reached out to you. This was our plan at Hurlbut Visuals, giving back to this amazing community that has been so gracious and giving to us. I cannot wait to see what is in store down under. ROCK IT OUT!!! Jonathan Newton, this one comment made all the hard work, stress, effort and endless hours worth collaborating with B & H. I am so glad that this reached out to you. This was our plan at Hurlbut Visuals, giving back to this amazing community that has been so gracious and giving to us. I cannot wait to see what is in store down under. ROCK IT OUT!!!

]]> By: Jonathan Newton http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3652 Jonathan Newton Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:32:38 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3652 Dear Shane, I live in Australia - the backside of the film industry. We have some of the most amazing crews here however we produce a lot of 'trash' that never gets out of our country as it is all limited to our culture. I have always longed to change that. Change the industry here and open it up to the world with Universal stories that everyone wants to watch. One issue has always been money, and I believe that is the key issue that 99% of film makers see as a huge road block, and they slowly give up. Then I was recommended to the B&H/HDSLR Hub website. I viewed all of these videos and they truly amazed and inspired me. I have always known of the power of the 5DMkII as a still camera and I had seen a few clips on YouTube, however after watching you turn the camera into a cinema tool - that just blew my mind! Suddenly thoughts from the past started to flood my mind, thoughts of films and wanna-be productions that never got off the ground due to quality V's budget. I realised that I could go out there and produce everything I want at the minimum of cost. Cut a long story short, I purchased my 5DMkII the day after watching your last video. I also purchased a few NDs and I am currently looking into a good Marshall monitor to get, along with a RedRock Micro DSLR package. Now that I have found this blog website of yours, I have been even more inspired! I would like to thank you for sharing you r experience and tallent with the world and breathing new life into this creative artform. I would love to show you the results of my first 5DMkII production when it has been finished. Thank you and keep inspiring us all! Warm Regards, Jonathan Newton info@newtelproductions.com Dear Shane,

I live in Australia – the backside of the film industry. We have some of the most amazing crews here however we produce a lot of ‘trash’ that never gets out of our country as it is all limited to our culture. I have always longed to change that. Change the industry here and open it up to the world with Universal stories that everyone wants to watch. One issue has always been money, and I believe that is the key issue that 99% of film makers see as a huge road block, and they slowly give up.

Then I was recommended to the B&H/HDSLR Hub website. I viewed all of these videos and they truly amazed and inspired me.

I have always known of the power of the 5DMkII as a still camera and I had seen a few clips on YouTube, however after watching you turn the camera into a cinema tool – that just blew my mind!

Suddenly thoughts from the past started to flood my mind, thoughts of films and wanna-be productions that never got off the ground due to quality V’s budget. I realised that I could go out there and produce everything I want at the minimum of cost.

Cut a long story short, I purchased my 5DMkII the day after watching your last video. I also purchased a few NDs and I am currently looking into a good Marshall monitor to get, along with a RedRock Micro DSLR package.

Now that I have found this blog website of yours, I have been even more inspired! I would like to thank you for sharing you r experience and tallent with the world and breathing new life into this creative artform.

I would love to show you the results of my first 5DMkII production when it has been finished.

Thank you and keep inspiring us all!

Warm Regards,

Jonathan Newton
info@newtelproductions.com

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3651 Shane Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:55:33 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3651 Silvin Morgan, thank you so much for those kind words of support. I am glad you liked it. Yes, this has been a labor of love for us at Hurlbut Visuals, giving back to such a gracious HDSLR community. I will take you up on that. Are you in LA? Please contact our operations manager Anne Gaither at anne@hurlbutvisuals.com and she can set up a time for you to come in at the rental division and meet Kevin. Then we can take it to the next level and meet once I get back from Montreal. Silvin Morgan, thank you so much for those kind words of support. I am glad you liked it. Yes, this has been a labor of love for us at Hurlbut Visuals, giving back to such a gracious HDSLR community. I will take you up on that. Are you in LA? Please contact our operations manager Anne Gaither at anne@hurlbutvisuals.com and she can set up a time for you to come in at the rental division and meet Kevin. Then we can take it to the next level and meet once I get back from Montreal.

]]> By: Silvin Morgan http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3650 Silvin Morgan Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:49:50 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3650 WOW! Thank you so much for cutting through the clutter and the uncertainties of HDSLR. With this site and series for BH, you are giving us the standard guidelines to work with. I feel like this is a free internship and have learned so much already, and to get this kind of insight without actually being there is priceless... I feel like I owe you something. I will come and work on your crew in any capacity for free, the experience alone would be worth everything to me. Yours truly, a DP in the making. WOW!

Thank you so much for cutting through the clutter and the uncertainties of HDSLR. With this site and series for BH, you are giving us the standard guidelines to work with. I feel like this is a free internship and have learned so much already, and to get this kind of insight without actually being there is priceless…

I feel like I owe you something. I will come and work on your crew in any capacity for free, the experience alone would be worth everything to me. Yours truly, a DP in the making.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2011/02/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinemaa-joint-venture-with-bh/comment-page-1/#comment-3649 Shane Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:53:28 +0000 http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=3711#comment-3649 Marcus.sg, we have passed this onto B & H and we will see what they can do about it. I am not sure if there are plans of making them downloadable at a future date, still not discussed. Marcus.sg, we have passed this onto B & H and we will see what they can do about it. I am not sure if there are plans of making them downloadable at a future date, still not discussed.

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