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		<title>By: Martin H</title>
		<link>http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/11/lighting-an-inside-look-into-the-rat-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2915</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane:
thanks for the reply, i wouldnt know how that works. Too bad the world is not that flexible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane:<br />
thanks for the reply, i wouldnt know how that works. Too bad the world is not that flexible.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin H, we would have to taft hartley them into the union and that would have cost us a fortune.  Trust me, if you are in it, you don&#039;t miss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin H, we would have to taft hartley them into the union and that would have cost us a fortune.  Trust me, if you are in it, you don&#8217;t miss it.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin H</title>
		<link>http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/11/lighting-an-inside-look-into-the-rat-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2913</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 05:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Shane

That was an interesting work, too bad there was no money for extra, because i saw the video first, then noticed that illusion, weren&#039;t showing any audience, so i quickly went to the description and found the reason. As a viewer, i didnt actually quite feel the full packed audience when i didn&#039;t see them, that might because i am used to the wide shot of the audience&#039;s reaction to the joke when comes to a scene like that. What i would have done is call all the production crew or your friends to fill the room :) maybe might work better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Shane</p>
<p>That was an interesting work, too bad there was no money for extra, because i saw the video first, then noticed that illusion, weren&#8217;t showing any audience, so i quickly went to the description and found the reason. As a viewer, i didnt actually quite feel the full packed audience when i didn&#8217;t see them, that might because i am used to the wide shot of the audience&#8217;s reaction to the joke when comes to a scene like that. What i would have done is call all the production crew or your friends to fill the room :) maybe might work better.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Emerick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Emerick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane - I worked on this film. I was your stand in for Joe Montegna. You were a funny guy. I learned a lot then and even more here reading your notes. Congrats on all your success. I&#039;ve been shooting music videos. shorts, and web commercials. I&#039;m shooting a 3D short in 2 weeks. Hope to see you again. - Gerald Emerick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane &#8211; I worked on this film. I was your stand in for Joe Montegna. You were a funny guy. I learned a lot then and even more here reading your notes. Congrats on all your success. I&#8217;ve been shooting music videos. shorts, and web commercials. I&#8217;m shooting a 3D short in 2 weeks. Hope to see you again. &#8211; Gerald Emerick</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 06:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, you are so welcome.  Thank you for your support.  I lit Mia Britt (Sammy&#039;s wife) with two big 4 x 8 soft boxes that I had 8-1K Lowell Tota lights in each.  The practical on the table filled under her chin and had Neurtal Density on the front of it so that it would not blow out to camera but still help lighting her.  We had 4 x 4 Honey Comb egg crates in front of the soft boxes to control them from flying all over the place.  The edge light on her right cheek was a 1K Baby Baby that was on the floor, with Opal diffusion on it.  Here is the set-up: &lt;img src=&quot;http:///Users/shane/Desktop/00015C.jpeg&quot; alt=&quot;Sammy&#039;s Wife Lighting set-up at the table&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, you are so welcome.  Thank you for your support.  I lit Mia Britt (Sammy&#8217;s wife) with two big 4 x 8 soft boxes that I had 8-1K Lowell Tota lights in each.  The practical on the table filled under her chin and had Neurtal Density on the front of it so that it would not blow out to camera but still help lighting her.  We had 4 x 4 Honey Comb egg crates in front of the soft boxes to control them from flying all over the place.  The edge light on her right cheek was a 1K Baby Baby that was on the floor, with Opal diffusion on it.  Here is the set-up: <img src="http:///Users/shane/Desktop/00015C.jpeg" alt="Sammy's Wife Lighting set-up at the table" /></p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shane, thanks a lot for taking the time to share this information.  Stuff like this really helps us young hopeful DP&#039;s.  I was wondering if you remembered how you lit Sammy&#039;s wife sitting in the audience with those other guys.  It is such a beautiful warm and soft light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shane, thanks a lot for taking the time to share this information.  Stuff like this really helps us young hopeful DP&#8217;s.  I was wondering if you remembered how you lit Sammy&#8217;s wife sitting in the audience with those other guys.  It is such a beautiful warm and soft light!</p>
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		<title>By: sugarloaf mountain</title>
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		<dc:creator>sugarloaf mountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 05:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A mutual acquaintence sent me the url to your blog. Good stuff! I like how you really focus and get to the bottom line but can you go over that last part again? Just a little? --Emily</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A mutual acquaintence sent me the url to your blog. Good stuff! I like how you really focus and get to the bottom line but can you go over that last part again? Just a little? &#8211;Emily</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 05:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam Kim, Hi Sam, yes there is far more texture in the walls and the bed.  DVD&#039;s are so compressed.  It was a great problem to have hindsight being 20/20, it worked out to give us that depth and dimension.  The par cans in the audience were only on when we did our reverse, behind the Rat Pack.  The six cameras were capturing wide, tight, side angles, crane, etc.  Yes, we rolled them all at the same time and the operators had the freedom as well as the actors to improv and bring this scene to life.  A lot of planning went into being able to light a multi-camera set up like this.  It is very easy to light for 1 camera, to make 6 look extraordinary is an art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Kim, Hi Sam, yes there is far more texture in the walls and the bed.  DVD&#8217;s are so compressed.  It was a great problem to have hindsight being 20/20, it worked out to give us that depth and dimension.  The par cans in the audience were only on when we did our reverse, behind the Rat Pack.  The six cameras were capturing wide, tight, side angles, crane, etc.  Yes, we rolled them all at the same time and the operators had the freedom as well as the actors to improv and bring this scene to life.  A lot of planning went into being able to light a multi-camera set up like this.  It is very easy to light for 1 camera, to make 6 look extraordinary is an art.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Hurlbut Shares Secrets of the Universe &#171; deathoftheparty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Hurlbut Shares Secrets of the Universe &#171; deathoftheparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently posted an incredibly detailed account of his first feature length film as director of photography. This is the first of a *15 part* [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently posted an incredibly detailed account of his first feature length film as director of photography. This is the first of a *15 part* [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane,

Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge!

Could you tell us about your education on being a DP? Some of us are just starting and trying to wrap our heads around lighting beyond 3 point.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane,</p>
<p>Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge!</p>
<p>Could you tell us about your education on being a DP? Some of us are just starting and trying to wrap our heads around lighting beyond 3 point.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane,
This is different and quite enjoyable.  Thanks.  I&#039;m going to look for the DVD now.

About the Sammy in a white room scene I was curious about your exposure.  How much did you blow out the walls? 4-5 stops?  It being a viemo clip I was wondering how much texture and detail was captured in the neg and the print.  The clip is blown out but I only have to assume that it was shot on film and help information very well.  And personally, if the walls were all white that&#039;d be too easy... I like that you had this challenge of raising the value which gave you very different shades of light grey/white in that room.

About the Stage, six cameras huh?  Did they all roll at the same time?  I was looking to see if your parcans were only used when facing the audience or if it was adding fill to the rest of the stage as well.  It&#039;s a great look and the way you describe the lighting process in someone elses comment above really speaks about how not to impede what an actor really has to do (lighting for the area and not the mark).  I&#039;m curious how much planning went into getting all that coverage and how much freedom your operators also had with it.

Cheers.

-Sam Kim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane,<br />
This is different and quite enjoyable.  Thanks.  I&#8217;m going to look for the DVD now.</p>
<p>About the Sammy in a white room scene I was curious about your exposure.  How much did you blow out the walls? 4-5 stops?  It being a viemo clip I was wondering how much texture and detail was captured in the neg and the print.  The clip is blown out but I only have to assume that it was shot on film and help information very well.  And personally, if the walls were all white that&#8217;d be too easy&#8230; I like that you had this challenge of raising the value which gave you very different shades of light grey/white in that room.</p>
<p>About the Stage, six cameras huh?  Did they all roll at the same time?  I was looking to see if your parcans were only used when facing the audience or if it was adding fill to the rest of the stage as well.  It&#8217;s a great look and the way you describe the lighting process in someone elses comment above really speaks about how not to impede what an actor really has to do (lighting for the area and not the mark).  I&#8217;m curious how much planning went into getting all that coverage and how much freedom your operators also had with it.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>-Sam Kim</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/11/lighting-an-inside-look-into-the-rat-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2904</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, thank you for your support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, thank you for your support.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/11/lighting-an-inside-look-into-the-rat-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2903</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard van den Boogaard, thank you so much for those kind words.  I understand, I will make sure to do a post in the lighting series that uses available light, but shows you how I would shape it to make it more pleasing and cinematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard van den Boogaard, thank you so much for those kind words.  I understand, I will make sure to do a post in the lighting series that uses available light, but shows you how I would shape it to make it more pleasing and cinematic.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oli Kember, I am glad you are enjoying the blog, more to come.  Thank you for those kind words and continued support of this site.  I recreated all the diagrams from memory.  I have a weird brain that way.  I can remember almost every exposure, lens and lighting set-up from all of my films.  I do take very detailed notes so I can go back and duplicate a look for if we need to do pick-ups.  With the overexposing question.  I knew I could over expose the white walls 5 stops to burn them, but Don Cheadle only read 2 stops over on my spot meter.  I knew that the film would hold that no problem.  When I go into post I put a window around Don to bring him down and build nice blacks within his outfit and his skin tones, without that effecting the rest of the frame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oli Kember, I am glad you are enjoying the blog, more to come.  Thank you for those kind words and continued support of this site.  I recreated all the diagrams from memory.  I have a weird brain that way.  I can remember almost every exposure, lens and lighting set-up from all of my films.  I do take very detailed notes so I can go back and duplicate a look for if we need to do pick-ups.  With the overexposing question.  I knew I could over expose the white walls 5 stops to burn them, but Don Cheadle only read 2 stops over on my spot meter.  I knew that the film would hold that no problem.  When I go into post I put a window around Don to bring him down and build nice blacks within his outfit and his skin tones, without that effecting the rest of the frame.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/11/lighting-an-inside-look-into-the-rat-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2901</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Kang, I want to thank you so much for those kind words and support.  What your describing is a test shoot and that will not be possible.  Through the lighting series you will see all types of photography one with nets, diffusion and just plain clean.  You are very welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Kang, I want to thank you so much for those kind words and support.  What your describing is a test shoot and that will not be possible.  Through the lighting series you will see all types of photography one with nets, diffusion and just plain clean.  You are very welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose De Los Angeles, I cannot wait till you get out here.  We need your passion and expertise and hard work.  Kevin is getting dialed in and we have a great rental division right now.  See you soon
S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose De Los Angeles, I cannot wait till you get out here.  We need your passion and expertise and hard work.  Kevin is getting dialed in and we have a great rental division right now.  See you soon<br />
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		<title>By: Jose De Los Angeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose De Los Angeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Shane

Looks awesome! Can&#039;t wait to get out to LA and join you and learn lots from you.

Jose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Shane</p>
<p>Looks awesome! Can&#8217;t wait to get out to LA and join you and learn lots from you.</p>
<p>Jose</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Kang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Kang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane - it&#039;s like reading American Cinematographer but even more in depth!  Your blog has been an inspiration for me to take the leap into cinematography as a career, so thank you for this post and starting this series - I&#039;m definitely looking forward from reading them.

I&#039;m particularly interested in seeing a post or series of posts that systematically shows the effect of different diffusion and modifiers on a subject or scene.  I.e., you can have a grid of images of subject/scene lit by a single light (or light bank) that show a different light modification in each one (scrim, frost white diffusion, gridded, distance of modifier, etc.).  That way we could see how the shadows and look of the scene changes.  i guess you can use this method for different color modifications, light positioning, and effect of multiple lights.

thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane &#8211; it&#8217;s like reading American Cinematographer but even more in depth!  Your blog has been an inspiration for me to take the leap into cinematography as a career, so thank you for this post and starting this series &#8211; I&#8217;m definitely looking forward from reading them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly interested in seeing a post or series of posts that systematically shows the effect of different diffusion and modifiers on a subject or scene.  I.e., you can have a grid of images of subject/scene lit by a single light (or light bank) that show a different light modification in each one (scrim, frost white diffusion, gridded, distance of modifier, etc.).  That way we could see how the shadows and look of the scene changes.  i guess you can use this method for different color modifications, light positioning, and effect of multiple lights.</p>
<p>thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: What The Church Can Learn from Hollywood &#124; ChurchCreate</title>
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		<dc:creator>What The Church Can Learn from Hollywood &#124; ChurchCreate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Church Can Learn from Hollywood Posted by BrianNotess on Nov 9, 2010 The other day I ran across this post by veteran cinematographer Shane Hurlbut. Shane is one of several HDSLR revolutionaries bound and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 03:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew Mastromartino, I am so glad to have you.  Thank you for those kind words and look forward to your comments on the next 14.  I love what I do, I am passionate about what I create and love to share.  Yes it is about the visuals.  Every post will have the visuals to back up the theory so you all can decide.</description>
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