Comments on: Filtration: Beware Of The Reaper Of Cheap Glass http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/ Just another WordPress weblog Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:02:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3935 Shane Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:14:13 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3935 Rod Cole, you are very welcome, I am selling Hurlbut Visuals Indie kits at the bootcamp for discounted prices. Are you coming? This is going to kick ass, never before has there been a course like this. Would love to see you. Rod Cole, you are very welcome, I am selling Hurlbut Visuals Indie kits at the bootcamp for discounted prices. Are you coming? This is going to kick ass, never before has there been a course like this. Would love to see you.

]]> By: Rod Cole http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3920 Rod Cole Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:32:45 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3920 Shane, thanks for confirming my gut-level sense that the Tiffen Indy Kit is the only way to go. I was not so much concerned about saving $100 but the siren song of having one convenient solution instead of having to change filters was quite compelling. I had previously tried the Coken filters left over from still photography years ago, but the magenta shift was intolerable thus I began looking for a better solution when I discovered your timely article. All the best and I am looking forward to your continued posts. Shane, thanks for confirming my gut-level sense that the Tiffen Indy Kit is the only way to go. I was not so much concerned about saving $100 but the siren song of having one convenient solution instead of having to change filters was quite compelling.

I had previously tried the Coken filters left over from still photography years ago, but the magenta shift was intolerable thus I began looking for a better solution when I discovered your timely article.

All the best and I am looking forward to your continued posts.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3877 Shane Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:08:55 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3877 Rod Cole,You are so welcome and thank you for your kind words and support, but it is very simple, go with the indy kit from Tiffen, the fader ND suck. If you want soft images and lifeless skin tones, have at it and save $100.00. Rod Cole,You are so welcome and thank you for your kind words and support, but it is very simple, go with the indy kit from Tiffen, the fader ND suck. If you want soft images and lifeless skin tones, have at it and save $100.00.

]]> By: Rod Cole http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3872 Rod Cole Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:19:47 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3872 Shane: Thanks for your willingness to share your insight and your craft. I had already decided to purchase the Tiffen IndyPro kit based upon your excellent article, but a friend (he is still photographer only) attempted to convince me to purchase a Singh Ray VariND ($350) instead. This is only $100 less than the Filmtools price for the IndyPro kit and I had seriously considered them for no reason other than convenience of use until I read your response to Sam Phibbs about ND Faders. Even so, before making my decision, I had wanted to check with you as I was still concerned about color shift issues even with the Singh Ray, but the softness issue is a cause for great concern. Thanks for helping me to make the right decision. Shane:

Thanks for your willingness to share your insight and your craft.

I had already decided to purchase the Tiffen IndyPro kit based upon your excellent article, but a friend (he is still photographer only) attempted to convince me to purchase a Singh Ray VariND ($350) instead. This is only $100 less than the Filmtools price for the IndyPro kit and I had seriously considered them for no reason other than convenience of use until I read your response to Sam Phibbs about ND Faders.

Even so, before making my decision, I had wanted to check with you as I was still concerned about color shift issues even with the Singh Ray, but the softness issue is a cause for great concern. Thanks for helping me to make the right decision.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3705 Shane Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:40:49 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3705 Sam Phibbs, I would go for a 6,9,1.2, stacking is not advised because it makes your image softer with the two layers of glass. I do not use the UV filters, they flare the lens to easy. I only use those when I am doing a crash housing or an explosion. If so, I would use the Tiffen Ultra Clears. Those ND faders are shit. You are very welcome. Thank you for those kind words. Sam Phibbs, I would go for a 6,9,1.2, stacking is not advised because it makes your image softer with the two layers of glass. I do not use the UV filters, they flare the lens to easy. I only use those when I am doing a crash housing or an explosion. If so, I would use the Tiffen Ultra Clears. Those ND faders are shit. You are very welcome. Thank you for those kind words.

]]> By: Sam Phibbs http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3704 Sam Phibbs Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:33:52 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3704 Hi Shane, I am looking to invest in some wwirnds but can only really afford 3, which strengths would you recommend? Also can you stack them? One other question do you have UV filters on your lenses for protection and if so what brand would you recommend? I bought a fader variable ND what a piece a junk the sharpness loss is a joke! Thanks for all your help you give us through your blog and newsletters, you are the man! Hi Shane,

I am looking to invest in some wwirnds but can only really afford 3, which strengths would you recommend? Also can you stack them? One other question do you have UV filters on your lenses for protection and if so what brand would you recommend? I bought a fader variable ND what a piece a junk the sharpness loss is a joke! Thanks for all your help you give us through your blog and newsletters, you are the man!

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3636 Shane Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:02:05 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3636 Bill Walsh, You are welcome, yes the WW Ultra Polarizer from Tiffen was very clean, it did not have all that green that you commonly see. Bill Walsh, You are welcome, yes the WW Ultra Polarizer from Tiffen was very clean, it did not have all that green that you commonly see.

]]> By: Bill Walsh http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-3632 Bill Walsh Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:14:21 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-3632 Shane, Thanks for this info. Did you run a similar test with Polarizers? I'm looking for something to compliment my new Zeiss ZE 50mm 1.4. Shane,

Thanks for this info. Did you run a similar test with Polarizers? I’m looking for something to compliment my new Zeiss ZE 50mm 1.4.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-2777 Shane Tue, 25 May 2010 00:16:54 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-2777 Will, You are welcome! Thank-you for your kind words. I love the slight yellow green that the ND filters add. The reason is that it being HD loves pink, magenta, and red. I hate pink and I hate magenta, so the WWIRND's take that out. I never white balance. I use the color temp on the camera. Will, You are welcome! Thank-you for your kind words. I love the slight yellow green that the ND filters add. The reason is that it being HD loves pink, magenta, and red. I hate pink and I hate magenta, so the WWIRND’s take that out. I never white balance. I use the color temp on the camera.

]]> By: Will http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/02/10/filtration-beware-of-the-reaper-of-cheap-glass/comment-page-2/#comment-2752 Will Sun, 23 May 2010 20:56:45 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=933#comment-2752 Hi Shane, Thank you so much for your generosity with your knowledge and inspiring spirit. I'd be interested to know how you typically handle white balance variations during hectic productions on these cameras, and especially when you're using high levels of ND. On occasion I use a TON of ND (8+ stops). Even great glass can have a slight color cast at those levels. I haven't tried the new WW IRNDs yet (certainly planning to), but I know that Tiffen previously recommended white balancing out the yellow-green cast of its 2.1 IRND when using cameras like the Genesis and F23. Do you shoot a grey card and use the auto white balance feature, or can you just set the Kelvin temperature and be fine? Do you approach white balance differently if you've got a lot of filtration? Thanks in advance! Hi Shane,

Thank you so much for your generosity with your knowledge and inspiring spirit. I’d be interested to know how you typically handle white balance variations during hectic productions on these cameras, and especially when you’re using high levels of ND.

On occasion I use a TON of ND (8+ stops). Even great glass can have a slight color cast at those levels. I haven’t tried the new WW IRNDs yet (certainly planning to), but I know that Tiffen previously recommended white balancing out the yellow-green cast of its 2.1 IRND when using cameras like the Genesis and F23.

Do you shoot a grey card and use the auto white balance feature, or can you just set the Kelvin temperature and be fine? Do you approach white balance differently if you’ve got a lot of filtration?

Thanks in advance!

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