Comments on: Navy Swimmer: Pool Training Sequence With Real Time Workflow http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/ Create | Innovate | Educate Wed, 22 May 2013 08:08:29 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Rory McGuinness http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-13667 Rory McGuinness Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:23:00 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-13667 Hi Shane, thanks for the wonderful blog. Can you offer any advice about shooting underwater with DSLRs? I'm DPing a project this summer which will require a fair amount of water stuff. We're using the Sony F3 as our A-Camera, but will probably shoot underwater with the 5D or the 7D. What housing did you use? Are there special problems (other than the obvious) which I should take into consideration when planning these shoots? Thanks, -Rory Hi Shane, thanks for the wonderful blog.

Can you offer any advice about shooting underwater with DSLRs? I’m DPing a project this summer which will require a fair amount of water stuff. We’re using the Sony F3 as our A-Camera, but will probably shoot underwater with the 5D or the 7D.

What housing did you use? Are there special problems (other than the obvious) which I should take into consideration when planning these shoots?

Thanks,

-Rory

]]> By: Bill http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-548 Bill Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:11 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-548 Shane Picture Styles, I know what they are (sort of)do they effect film clips as well as stills? Do you know of a site that has "Picture Styles for Dummies?" Thank you, Bill Shane Picture Styles, I know what they are (sort of)do they effect film clips as well as stills? Do you know of a site that has “Picture Styles for Dummies?”

Thank you,
Bill

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-547 Shane Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:27:07 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-547 Bill, It does not matter what computer you use as long as you format the external hard drives to Fat 32. Never format cards on the computer, always format on the camera because you can address the card to the camera. Using the file numbers generated by each individual camera (ex. MVI_0000) you can identify which camera is which at the beginning of every shoot. Say cam A is (MVI_2000), cam B is (MVI_3000), and cam C is (MVI_4000). So long as you select "continuous" for the file numbering in the menu, you will always be able to tell, after shooting, which card came from each camera. Card A1 for example would be MVI_2001 - MVI_2020 (this would be after 20 takes). Formatting in the camera allows you to have that option. Also, after you have downloaded the footage in your computer, rename the EOS...etc. folder to something else like "done" that way when the card goes back to the camera department, no image will register on the camera. This totally helps any confusion when the shit hits the fan and cards are being exchanged quickly with multiple cameras crackin'. Bill, It does not matter what computer you use as long as you format the external hard drives to Fat 32. Never format cards on the computer, always format on the camera because you can address the card to the camera. Using the file numbers generated by each individual camera (ex. MVI_0000) you can identify which camera is which at the beginning of every shoot. Say cam A is (MVI_2000), cam B is (MVI_3000), and cam C is (MVI_4000). So long as you select “continuous” for the file numbering in the menu, you will always be able to tell, after shooting, which card came from each camera. Card A1 for example would be MVI_2001 – MVI_2020 (this would be after 20 takes). Formatting in the camera allows you to have that option. Also, after you have downloaded the footage in your computer, rename the EOS…etc. folder to something else like “done” that way when the card goes back to the camera department, no image will register on the camera. This totally helps any confusion when the shit hits the fan and cards are being exchanged quickly with multiple cameras crackin’.

]]> By: Bill http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-546 Bill Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:36:19 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-546 When the media manager formats the cards on a computer does it matter if it is on a Mac or PC and when he does should it be Fat 32 or NTFS formatting? Thanks, Bill When the media manager formats the cards on a computer does it matter if it is on a Mac or PC and when he does should it be Fat 32 or NTFS formatting?

Thanks,
Bill

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-545 Shane Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:43:40 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-545 Darin Raney, First off I would love to take a look at your picture styles. Second your best bet for shooting is to be on Neutral. If you are using Canon lenses then your contrast should be at -3 and your saturation at -1. No sharpening tool at all. That is why you are getting the moire' issues. Dynamic range is one thing, but I find that once you achieve that everything else has gone to hell. This 8 BIT compressed color space will hand you your hat quickly. Neutral rocks!! Period. Darin Raney, First off I would love to take a look at your picture styles. Second your best bet for shooting is to be on Neutral. If you are using Canon lenses then your contrast should be at -3 and your saturation at -1. No sharpening tool at all. That is why you are getting the moire’ issues. Dynamic range is one thing, but I find that once you achieve that everything else has gone to hell. This 8 BIT compressed color space will hand you your hat quickly. Neutral rocks!! Period.

]]> By: Darin Raney http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-544 Darin Raney Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:02:24 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-544 That particular test was shot with Standard with the sharpening turned down two notches. I'm finding I'm getting much better results from both cameras when using custom picture styles. For wide exteriors without people, a custom profile called Velvia seems to work extremely well. The colors are very vibrant and it seems to hold the highlights better than anything else I've tried. It doesn't work well at all for skin tones, so I am working on a happy medium that's less saturated with better skintones. The other profile I've been using is one I made myself to approximate the DVX-200's Cinegamma. It has fairly subtle tweaks to the gamma curve that seem to open up the shadows a bit and hold the highlights a bit better. I also made one that I'm calling WideLat that APPEARS to give me 12 stops of latitude. I made it by shooting a grayscale still as raw and then tweaking the curve to give me as many gradations as possible. It has problems though; it seems to require a lot more light than other profiles and the skin tones look a little weird. Given enough light, it looks fantastic with certain types of shots though. I could send it to you if you'd like to take a look at it. That particular test was shot with Standard with the sharpening turned down two notches. I’m finding I’m getting much better results from both cameras when using custom picture styles.

For wide exteriors without people, a custom profile called Velvia seems to work extremely well. The colors are very vibrant and it seems to hold the highlights better than anything else I’ve tried. It doesn’t work well at all for skin tones, so I am working on a happy medium that’s less saturated with better skintones.

The other profile I’ve been using is one I made myself to approximate the DVX-200′s Cinegamma. It has fairly subtle tweaks to the gamma curve that seem to open up the shadows a bit and hold the highlights a bit better.

I also made one that I’m calling WideLat that APPEARS to give me 12 stops of latitude. I made it by shooting a grayscale still as raw and then tweaking the curve to give me as many gradations as possible. It has problems though; it seems to require a lot more light than other profiles and the skin tones look a little weird. Given enough light, it looks fantastic with certain types of shots though. I could send it to you if you’d like to take a look at it.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-543 Shane Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:22:07 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-543 Darin Raney, That is what I thought. Watch your 7D slow-motion, it looks like video at 720. Very soft, more alaising issues also. What picture style are you shooting with? Darin Raney, That is what I thought. Watch your 7D slow-motion, it looks like video at 720. Very soft, more alaising issues also. What picture style are you shooting with?

]]> By: Darin Raney http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-542 Darin Raney Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:53:32 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-542 That was with a 7D. I didn't have the 5D with me on that day. We're using two 5Ds and 2 7Ds on the film (7Ds for slow-mo and when we're shooting under f 4). That was with a 7D. I didn’t have the 5D with me on that day. We’re using two 5Ds and 2 7Ds on the film (7Ds for slow-mo and when we’re shooting under f 4).

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-541 Shane Sat, 03 Jul 2010 18:40:33 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-541 Darin Raney, was that with a 7D or a 5D? Look at your sharpening tool. If it is on at all it will increase your moire effect. Darin Raney, was that with a 7D or a 5D? Look at your sharpening tool. If it is on at all it will increase your moire effect.

]]> By: Darin Raney http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-540 Darin Raney Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:28:13 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-540 That's quite understandable... Any advice on the moire issues? I shot a suburban street of brick houses the other day (as a test) and was MORTIFIED when I watched it on a 62" HD monitor. Any thoughts on the Caprock filter? That’s quite understandable… Any advice on the moire issues? I shot a suburban street of brick houses the other day (as a test) and was MORTIFIED when I watched it on a 62″ HD monitor. Any thoughts on the Caprock filter?

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-539 Shane Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:30:17 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-539 Darin Raney, thank you so much for your words and support. I would go with 24p, you are going to be much happier. Yes I have custom picture style profiles that I have put together. These are very personal and are what sets me apart from the other people in this fish bowl. I have no problem giving you the keys to the castle but my personal picture styles is one of the things that makes my Hurlbut Visuals Moviemakers unique. I hope you understand. You are very welcome and I am very excited that we all had a role in getting your film off the ground. Rock it out my friend!! Darin Raney, thank you so much for your words and support. I would go with 24p, you are going to be much happier. Yes I have custom picture style profiles that I have put together. These are very personal and are what sets me apart from the other people in this fish bowl. I have no problem giving you the keys to the castle but my personal picture styles is one of the things that makes my Hurlbut Visuals Moviemakers unique. I hope you understand. You are very welcome and I am very excited that we all had a role in getting your film off the ground. Rock it out my friend!!

]]> By: Darin Raney http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-538 Darin Raney Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:06:54 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-538 AMAZING stuff, Shane! By far the best 5d stuff I've seen... I'm getting ready to shoot a 'one crazy night' comedy using 3 HDSLRs, mostly available light (our entire lighting package will consist of 2 Arri 650s, 2 300s, 2 150s, a couple Kinoflos and maybe a Arri 1.2k HMI Par). Most of the film takes place in fairly well-lit streets, parties, etc. I'm excited about combining a 35mm narrative film look with the spontaneous, highly mobile documentary shooting style that the HDSLRs allow. I have a couple question for you... First of all, you mentioned on the Red Center podcast that you prefer shooting 30P and Twixtoring to 24P. Now that the 24P firmware is out, is that still your preferred workflow? Secondly, do you use any custom picture profiles? I read the article about having a 'Look' setting for lighting and a 'Raw' setting for shooting. Have you made your 'Navy Raw' profile available anywhere? Also, would it be possible for you to post or email the large collection of custom picture profiles that was mentioned on another thread? Thanks so much! I'm in total agreement that we're hitting a new wave of filmmaking technique and I thank you for having the vision to champion these new tools. I honestly would not have been able to secure funding support for my film without the work that you, Philip Bloom and others that have produced that shows what these cameras are capable of. AMAZING stuff, Shane! By far the best 5d stuff I’ve seen…

I’m getting ready to shoot a ‘one crazy night’ comedy using 3 HDSLRs, mostly available light (our entire lighting package will consist of 2 Arri 650s, 2 300s, 2 150s, a couple Kinoflos and maybe a Arri 1.2k HMI Par). Most of the film takes place in fairly well-lit streets, parties, etc.

I’m excited about combining a 35mm narrative film look with the spontaneous, highly mobile documentary shooting style that the HDSLRs allow.

I have a couple question for you… First of all, you mentioned on the Red Center podcast that you prefer shooting 30P and Twixtoring to 24P. Now that the 24P firmware is out, is that still your preferred workflow?

Secondly, do you use any custom picture profiles? I read the article about having a ‘Look’ setting for lighting and a ‘Raw’ setting for shooting. Have you made your ‘Navy Raw’ profile available anywhere? Also, would it be possible for you to post or email the large collection of custom picture profiles that was mentioned on another thread?

Thanks so much! I’m in total agreement that we’re hitting a new wave of filmmaking technique and I thank you for having the vision to champion these new tools. I honestly would not have been able to secure funding support for my film without the work that you, Philip Bloom and others that have produced that shows what these cameras are capable of.

]]> By: Navy Swimmer | planet5D Cinema http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Navy Swimmer | planet5D Cinema Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:47:26 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-537 [...] This is groundbreaking filming which is unique in its style and execution and has only been possible since the invention of the Canon 5D, 7D and 1D cameras. Shane’s blog [...] [...] This is groundbreaking filming which is unique in its style and execution and has only been possible since the invention of the Canon 5D, 7D and 1D cameras. Shane’s blog [...]

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-536 Shane Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:28:27 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-536 S. Swigart, Could you email lydia@hurlbutvisuals.com so that we can add to our list of interns, when we have a project we would love to contact you, Loved your still shots especially the subway escalator. I am based in L.A., where are you going to film school? S. Swigart, Could you email lydia@hurlbutvisuals.com so that we can add to our list of interns, when we have a project we would love to contact you, Loved your still shots especially the subway escalator. I am based in L.A., where are you going to film school?

]]> By: kristoffer akselbo http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-535 kristoffer akselbo Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:33:12 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-535 I forgot to say it was a nikkon 300mm lens. I forgot to say it was a nikkon 300mm lens.

]]> By: kristoffer akselbo http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-534 kristoffer akselbo Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:37:53 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-534 Great little film..just bought a 300mm manual f2.8 ed ai lens..couldnot afford a cannon. Can u say something about focal lenght. Which prime for What. Just trying to learn som tricks . Best kristoffer. Great little film..just bought a 300mm manual f2.8 ed ai lens..couldnot afford a cannon. Can u say something about focal lenght. Which prime for What. Just trying to learn som tricks
. Best kristoffer.

]]> By: Joel Bergsma http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-533 Joel Bergsma Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:00:37 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-533 Thanks Shane, I absolutely love what you're doing with this blog - Keep up the amazing work. Thanks Shane, I absolutely love what you’re doing with this blog – Keep up the amazing work.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-532 Shane Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:48:21 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-532 Joel, I use the Extreme IV UDMA cards8GB or 16 GB that process at 45mb/sec. Your camera processes at 45mb/sec so if you card does not you will have rolling shutter issues, really compressed files and artifacts. Never had one of these cards lock up Joel, I use the Extreme IV UDMA cards8GB or 16 GB that process at 45mb/sec. Your camera processes at 45mb/sec so if you card does not you will have rolling shutter issues, really compressed files and artifacts. Never had one of these cards lock up

]]> By: Joel Bergsma http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-531 Joel Bergsma Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:07:20 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-531 What brand of compact flash cards are you using? And do you ever experience camera lockup? My Sandisk Ultra 2 8 GB cards have been a disaster when it comes to shooting video. What brand of compact flash cards are you using? And do you ever experience camera lockup?

My Sandisk Ultra 2 8 GB cards have been a disaster when it comes to shooting video.

]]> By: S. Swigart http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-530 S. Swigart Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:30:05 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-530 I am a graduate film student who is an aspiring cinematographer and is looking to work/intern this summer with an ASC cinematographer. Please visit my website (linked through my name) for a sample of some of my photography. I look forward to seeing your future work. I am a graduate film student who is an aspiring cinematographer and is looking to work/intern this summer with an ASC cinematographer. Please visit my website (linked through my name) for a sample of some of my photography. I look forward to seeing your future work.

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