Comments on: Navy Swimmer: Pool Training Sequence With Real Time Workflow http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/ Just another WordPress weblog Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:57:21 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Bill http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-4048 Bill Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:11 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-4048 Shane Picture Styles, I know what they are (sort of)do they effect film clips as well as stills? Do you know of a site that has "Picture Styles for Dummies?" Thank you, Bill Shane Picture Styles, I know what they are (sort of)do they effect film clips as well as stills? Do you know of a site that has “Picture Styles for Dummies?”

Thank you,
Bill

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3798 Shane Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:27:07 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3798 Bill, It does not matter what computer you use as long as you format the external hard drives to Fat 32. Never format cards on the computer, always format on the camera because you can address the card to the camera. Using the file numbers generated by each individual camera (ex. MVI_0000) you can identify which camera is which at the beginning of every shoot. Say cam A is (MVI_2000), cam B is (MVI_3000), and cam C is (MVI_4000). So long as you select "continuous" for the file numbering in the menu, you will always be able to tell, after shooting, which card came from each camera. Card A1 for example would be MVI_2001 - MVI_2020 (this would be after 20 takes). Formatting in the camera allows you to have that option. Also, after you have downloaded the footage in your computer, rename the EOS...etc. folder to something else like "done" that way when the card goes back to the camera department, no image will register on the camera. This totally helps any confusion when the shit hits the fan and cards are being exchanged quickly with multiple cameras crackin'. Bill, It does not matter what computer you use as long as you format the external hard drives to Fat 32. Never format cards on the computer, always format on the camera because you can address the card to the camera. Using the file numbers generated by each individual camera (ex. MVI_0000) you can identify which camera is which at the beginning of every shoot. Say cam A is (MVI_2000), cam B is (MVI_3000), and cam C is (MVI_4000). So long as you select “continuous” for the file numbering in the menu, you will always be able to tell, after shooting, which card came from each camera. Card A1 for example would be MVI_2001 – MVI_2020 (this would be after 20 takes). Formatting in the camera allows you to have that option. Also, after you have downloaded the footage in your computer, rename the EOS…etc. folder to something else like “done” that way when the card goes back to the camera department, no image will register on the camera. This totally helps any confusion when the shit hits the fan and cards are being exchanged quickly with multiple cameras crackin’.

]]> By: Bill http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3785 Bill Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:36:19 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3785 When the media manager formats the cards on a computer does it matter if it is on a Mac or PC and when he does should it be Fat 32 or NTFS formatting? Thanks, Bill When the media manager formats the cards on a computer does it matter if it is on a Mac or PC and when he does should it be Fat 32 or NTFS formatting?

Thanks,
Bill

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3524 Shane Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:43:40 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3524 Darin Raney, First off I would love to take a look at your picture styles. Second your best bet for shooting is to be on Neutral. If you are using Canon lenses then your contrast should be at -3 and your saturation at -1. No sharpening tool at all. That is why you are getting the moire' issues. Dynamic range is one thing, but I find that once you achieve that everything else has gone to hell. This 8 BIT compressed color space will hand you your hat quickly. Neutral rocks!! Period. Darin Raney, First off I would love to take a look at your picture styles. Second your best bet for shooting is to be on Neutral. If you are using Canon lenses then your contrast should be at -3 and your saturation at -1. No sharpening tool at all. That is why you are getting the moire’ issues. Dynamic range is one thing, but I find that once you achieve that everything else has gone to hell. This 8 BIT compressed color space will hand you your hat quickly. Neutral rocks!! Period.

]]> By: Darin Raney http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3520 Darin Raney Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:02:24 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3520 That particular test was shot with Standard with the sharpening turned down two notches. I'm finding I'm getting much better results from both cameras when using custom picture styles. For wide exteriors without people, a custom profile called Velvia seems to work extremely well. The colors are very vibrant and it seems to hold the highlights better than anything else I've tried. It doesn't work well at all for skin tones, so I am working on a happy medium that's less saturated with better skintones. The other profile I've been using is one I made myself to approximate the DVX-200's Cinegamma. It has fairly subtle tweaks to the gamma curve that seem to open up the shadows a bit and hold the highlights a bit better. I also made one that I'm calling WideLat that APPEARS to give me 12 stops of latitude. I made it by shooting a grayscale still as raw and then tweaking the curve to give me as many gradations as possible. It has problems though; it seems to require a lot more light than other profiles and the skin tones look a little weird. Given enough light, it looks fantastic with certain types of shots though. I could send it to you if you'd like to take a look at it. That particular test was shot with Standard with the sharpening turned down two notches. I’m finding I’m getting much better results from both cameras when using custom picture styles.

For wide exteriors without people, a custom profile called Velvia seems to work extremely well. The colors are very vibrant and it seems to hold the highlights better than anything else I’ve tried. It doesn’t work well at all for skin tones, so I am working on a happy medium that’s less saturated with better skintones.

The other profile I’ve been using is one I made myself to approximate the DVX-200’s Cinegamma. It has fairly subtle tweaks to the gamma curve that seem to open up the shadows a bit and hold the highlights a bit better.

I also made one that I’m calling WideLat that APPEARS to give me 12 stops of latitude. I made it by shooting a grayscale still as raw and then tweaking the curve to give me as many gradations as possible. It has problems though; it seems to require a lot more light than other profiles and the skin tones look a little weird. Given enough light, it looks fantastic with certain types of shots though. I could send it to you if you’d like to take a look at it.

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3518 Shane Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:22:07 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3518 Darin Raney, That is what I thought. Watch your 7D slow-motion, it looks like video at 720. Very soft, more alaising issues also. What picture style are you shooting with? Darin Raney, That is what I thought. Watch your 7D slow-motion, it looks like video at 720. Very soft, more alaising issues also. What picture style are you shooting with?

]]> By: Darin Raney http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3504 Darin Raney Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:53:32 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3504 That was with a 7D. I didn't have the 5D with me on that day. We're using two 5Ds and 2 7Ds on the film (7Ds for slow-mo and when we're shooting under f 4). That was with a 7D. I didn’t have the 5D with me on that day. We’re using two 5Ds and 2 7Ds on the film (7Ds for slow-mo and when we’re shooting under f 4).

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3450 Shane Sat, 03 Jul 2010 18:40:33 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3450 Darin Raney, was that with a 7D or a 5D? Look at your sharpening tool. If it is on at all it will increase your moire effect. Darin Raney, was that with a 7D or a 5D? Look at your sharpening tool. If it is on at all it will increase your moire effect.

]]> By: Darin Raney http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3440 Darin Raney Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:28:13 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3440 That's quite understandable... Any advice on the moire issues? I shot a suburban street of brick houses the other day (as a test) and was MORTIFIED when I watched it on a 62" HD monitor. Any thoughts on the Caprock filter? That’s quite understandable… Any advice on the moire issues? I shot a suburban street of brick houses the other day (as a test) and was MORTIFIED when I watched it on a 62″ HD monitor. Any thoughts on the Caprock filter?

]]> By: Shane http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2009/11/27/navy-swimmer-pool-training-sequence-with-real-time-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-3375 Shane Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:30:17 +0000 http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/?p=424#comment-3375 Darin Raney, thank you so much for your words and support. I would go with 24p, you are going to be much happier. Yes I have custom picture style profiles that I have put together. These are very personal and are what sets me apart from the other people in this fish bowl. I have no problem giving you the keys to the castle but my personal picture styles is one of the things that makes my Hurlbut Visuals Moviemakers unique. I hope you understand. You are very welcome and I am very excited that we all had a role in getting your film off the ground. Rock it out my friend!! Darin Raney, thank you so much for your words and support. I would go with 24p, you are going to be much happier. Yes I have custom picture style profiles that I have put together. These are very personal and are what sets me apart from the other people in this fish bowl. I have no problem giving you the keys to the castle but my personal picture styles is one of the things that makes my Hurlbut Visuals Moviemakers unique. I hope you understand. You are very welcome and I am very excited that we all had a role in getting your film off the ground. Rock it out my friend!!

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